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Apr 22
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OpenSSF Newsletter – April 2025

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Welcome to the April 2025 edition of the OpenSSF Newsletter! Here’s a roundup of the latest developments, key events, and upcoming opportunities in the Open Source Security community.

TL;DR

This month, the OpenSSF highlights a new free training course, “Understanding the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) (LFEL1001),” designed to help organizations prepare for the CRA’s full application by December 2027. The course covers essential requirements, roles, and compliance processes to help teams reduce risk and meet regulatory standards. The OpenSSF also invites you to join upcoming Community Day events in Japan, North America, India, and Europe to help drive collaboration in open source security. Don’t forget—submit your proposal to speak at OpenSSF Community Day Japan by April 27 and check out the live agenda for Community Day NA 2025. Explore key takeaways from VulnCon 2025, learn about the launch of Model Signing v1.0 to secure the ML supply chain, and preview our latest tech talk on global policy and the Open Source Project Security Baseline. Dive into IDC’s new research on software supply chains, enroll in the free course on the EU Cyber Resilience Act.Stay connected with OpenSSF community updates, upcoming events, and working group news!

Tech Talk Preview: Strengthening Open Source Through Security Standards and Global Policy

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Open source is the backbone of today’s digital infrastructure – but with great power comes great responsibility. As cybersecurity threats grow and global policies evolve, open source projects must meet increasing security expectations. Join Christopher “CRob” Robinson (OpenSSF) (Moderator), Ben Cotton (Kusari), Emily Fox (Red Hat) and Megan Knight (ARM) for a tech talk that dives into these challenges and highlights the OpenSSF community’s solution: the Open Source Project Security Baseline. Learn how this framework helps projects align with key standards and prepare for compliance. 

Don’t miss out – register now and join the conversation to strengthen open source through community-driven security and global policy engagement.

NEW FREE COURSE: Understanding the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) (LFEL1001)

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With the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) officially published as Regulation (EU) 2024/2847 and entering into force on December 10, 2024, the countdown is on for organizations to understand and prepare for its full application by December 11, 2027. The CRA introduces broad obligations for products with digital elements, aiming to reduce cybersecurity risks and increase trust in the European digital market.

To help organizations prepare, LF Education and the Open Source Security Foundation (OpenSSF) launched a free training course: “Understanding the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) (LFEL1001)” – now available online.

This course covers the key requirements of the EU’s Cyber Resilience Act (CRA), including terms, roles, obligations, essential cybersecurity requirements, product markings, compliance processes, and penalties for non-compliance. It prepares decision-makers, software developers, OSS developers, and OSS stewards to navigate CRA compliance, mitigate risks, and meet regulatory standards. 

Enroll in the free course!

Key Takeaways from VulnCon 2025: Insights from the OpenSSF Community

In “Key Takeaways from VulnCon 2025: Insights from the OpenSSF Community”, Christopher Robinson (CRob), Chief Security Architect at OpenSSF, reflects on the power of collaboration and innovation that defined this year’s VulnCon. Held in Raleigh, NC, the event brought together global security professionals to tackle pressing challenges in vulnerability management. CRob shares firsthand insights from OpenSSF’s active involvement throughout the conference, highlights the importance of metadata, open source supply chain security, and evolving global regulations like the EU’s Cyber Resilience Act. If you’re passionate about strengthening the open source ecosystem and want to hear how the OpenSSF community is leading the charge, check out this blog.

Last chance to speak at OpenSSF Community Day Japan!

Call for Proposals closes Sunday, April 27 at 23:59 JST.

Join us in Tokyo and share your insights on open source security, tooling, education, AI, and more. Whether it’s a 5-minute lightning talk or a 20-minute session, we welcome diverse voices from across the ecosystem.

👉 Submit your proposal today

OpenSSF Community Day NA 2025 Agenda Live!

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We are excited to share that the agenda for OpenSSF Community Day North America 2025 is now live! Join us on June 26 in Denver, Colorado, for a day filled with collaboration, technical insights, and future-focused conversations on securing the open source ecosystem.

Launch of Model Signing v1.0: OpenSSF AI/ML Working Group Secures the Machine Learning Supply Chain

In Launch of Model Signing v1.0: OpenSSF AI/ML Working Group Secures the Machine Learning Supply Chain, authors Mihai Maruseac (Google), Martin Sablotny (NVIDIA), Eoin Wickens (HiddenLayer), and Daniel Major (NVIDIA) introduce the first stable release of the model-signing project from the OpenSSF AI/ML Working Group. This blog presents the motivation, features, and broader goals of the project, including how model signing helps secure the integrity and provenance of machine learning artifacts across the supply chain. Read the full blog to learn how this initiative marks a key milestone toward a secure AI future and how you can get involved.

Community Member Updates:

Google Cloud and Canonical recently sponsored a new report by IDC on the State of Software Supply Chains. According to the report, which surveyed over 500 decision-makers in IT and Information Security roles, 7 in 10 responsible teams spend more than 6 hours per week on security patching. The report also reveals that compliance with regulations remains a challenge for most organizations, with more than a third of respondents reporting that they struggle to understand how regulations apply to specific systems and software components. The adoption of artificial intelligence is increasing compliance burdens with 60% of organizations reporting that they have only basic or no security controls to safeguard their AI/ML systems.

Download the report on Canonical’s website for other interesting stats and learnings on open source supply chains.

News from OpenSSF Community Meetings and Projects:

In the News:

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OpenSSF Community Days bring together security and open source experts to drive innovation in software security.

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Regards,

The OpenSSF Team

Apr 16
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NEW FREE COURSE: Understanding the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) (LFEL1001)

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By Linux Foundation Education, see original blog.

Quickly Grasp the Key Requirements of the CRA
with this Express Learning Video Course

OpenSSF and Linux Foundation Education have announced the launch of Understanding the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) (LFEL1001), a new, free, Express Learning video course that covers:

  • Key requirements of the EU’s Cyber Resilience Act (CRA)
  • Digital product impacts
  • Compliance strategies
  • How to navigate uncertainties in the law, including for open source software

The course is ideal for anyone needing to adapt to these new legal requirements, especially decision-makers and software developers – including those working with open source software – whose products may be commercially available in the EU.

“The Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) is critically important for all software developers and their managers to understand. It imposes requirements on many kinds of software, including open source, that have never been regulated before. The CRA applies even if the software wasn’t developed in the EU,” said David A. Wheeler, PhD, Director of Open Source Supply Chain Security, OpenSSF. “This completely changes the software development landscape. You could risk its substantial penalties, but it’s wiser to gain an understanding of it.”

🌏 EU Law with Global Impact

The CRA is a landmark law that imposes new requirements on products with digital elements, including software, that are made commercially available within the European Union. It also imposes significant penalties for failure to comply in certain cases. Given the global nature of software and hardware development, many organizations and individuals not based in the EU will find themselves affected by the CRA.

Understanding the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) (LFEL1001) will help those affected better prepare to understand and meet their obligations of the law and avoid the significant penalties the law can enforce. This includes the CRA’s requirements for developing secure software and managing vulnerability reports. The course will also note some of the uncertainties in the new law, explain how some are being addressed and provide recommendations on how to deal with such uncertainties.

Understanding the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) (LFEL1001) is a free, 90-minute, self-paced, e-Learning video course. Those who successfully complete the course receive a digital badge and certificate of completion.

Don’t Let the CRA Catch You Off Guard
Enroll Today!

Apr 15
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What’s in the SOSS? Podcast #27 – S2E04 Enterprise to Open Source: Steve Fernandez’s Journey to the OpenSSF

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In this episode of What’s in the SOSS, we sit down with the OpenSSF’s new General Manager, Steve Fernandez — a seasoned enterprise tech leader whose resumé spans giants like L’Oréal, Coca-Cola, AIG, and Ford. Steve shares his “origin story,” what drew him into the world of open source, and how his decades of experience as a consumer of open source software are shaping his vision for the Foundation.

Conversation Highlights

00:21 Welcome & Introductions
00:57 Steve’s Tech Journey
03:13 Why OpenSSF?
05:02 The Role of Security & Strategic Vision
08:17 Rapid Fire & Final Thoughts

Transcript

CRob (00:21)
Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is What’s in the SOSS, the OpenSSF’s podcast where we talk to developers, industry experts, and assorted amazing people within our open source ecosystem. I’m CRob, one of your co-hosts for this little event. I do security stuff on the internet, and today we have a new friend to introduce the world to, Steve Fernandez, who just recently joined the foundation.

And Steve, maybe you could talk a little bit about, introduce yourself and maybe talk about your technology origin story.

Steve Fernandez (00:57)
Thanks a lot and great introduction, by the way. So pleasure to meet everybody. My name is Steve Fernandez and as CRob mentioned, I’m the new general manager for the OpenSSF. And I come to this place through a long IT journey. For the last 30 years, I’ve been mainly on the enterprise side of the IT game.

I’ve done various roles as CIO and CTO in many different industries as well as many different companies. Most recently, before I came to the OpenSSF, I was the CIO for NCR Voyix, and previous to that, I was Chief Technology Officer for L’Oreal in Paris, Chief Technology Officer for AIG in the insurance industry.

I was chief technology officer at Coca-Cola and then I worked many years inside of GE and Ford Motor Company in different technology roles. So I really come to this job, I think, with a different and unique perspective than many who’ve been in the open source world for forever. I’m coming as a user of the open source and it’s been a user of the software and the technology inside of all the platforms that I’ve run and managed over the last 30 years. So I’m very excited to take a little different view of technology in this role and hoping a lot of my experience from running enterprise and running large scale platforms and running things day to day is going to translate into growth for the organization and further stability as we move forward.

CRob (02:43)
And, we’ve cited here and at other events, just the penetration of open source in normal operations and just how critical open source is to a lot of enterprises. So I’m very excited to kind of benefit from the experiences you’ve had in your long and successful career and trying to help bring that more business focus to us. But I’m curious, what drew you to the OpenSSF? Was it the goose?

Steve Fernandez (03:13)
I think it could have been the goose, which is quite the great icon. You know, it was a, it’s really interesting for me personally. I was getting to a point in my life where I’ve done many, many operational roles throughout my life and my career. And I was taking a little break and trying to figure out what I wanted to do when I grow up and what I wanted to do next on the journey. And, you know, it’s one of those small things, a friend of a friend talked to me about this position and I said, hmm being general manager of a foundation. Well, I can at least take a look and see what it’s about. And, and, uh, I don’t know, it’s something I’ve never done before, but I think it might make sense. So I sat down with, uh, Jim Zemlin, uh, head of the Linux foundation. And we just had a great conversation and being an open source user throughout my career and knowing the importance of open source and security you know, to every company’s platform, to every company’s install base. It really was a job that I was looking for where I thought I could do some good for the community. I thought I could, like I said earlier, take a different perspective on things, add a little bit of my corporate background to the organization and merge the two together.

Steve Fernandez (04:31)
So for me, it was really about trying something new, experimenting – bring a little bit of your old experience into a new environment. And I have to say, in just the last month that I’ve been here, it’s been an exceptional experience and working with absolutely great people, working with a great community. So, so far it’s been a really, really positive experience and a bit different from my enterprise days, but at the same time, very exciting and it’s great to be involved in real technology.

CRob (05:02)
So it’s interesting you have a long history of kind of helping lead technology organizations. From your perspective, how have you seen security kind of help the business and how does security help developers and other consumers?

Steve Fernandez (05:18)
Yeah, so I’ve always called security kind of the hidden greatness. It’s one of those things that you don’t know you need security until you know you need security.

CRob (05:30) Yeah.

Steve Fernandez (05:31)
And on the enterprise side of the game, it’s your constant worry about security and risk. And you’re always worrying about your platforms. You’re always worried about your products. You’re always worried about making sure that things that you’re presenting to the consumer or to the employee or to, you know, the different install bases, you have an inherent need to make sure your products and your technology are secure. So I’ve always had a love hate with it because you hate to spend incredible amounts of time and investment in security, but you absolutely love it because it keeps you safe and, and, and makes sure that your products and your technology are going to…with it – you know, there are bad actors out there and people do want to get into your products. They do want to find out, you know, personal information. So security is that thing that makes us feel a little bit better. And it lowers your risk profile. And, you know, it’s really the glue that’s needed inside of a technology base.

CRob (06:37)
Mm-hmm.

And thinking about your experiences in your past roles, what do you see, kind of, the additional value and capabilities you’re going to bring to the foundation to help us further our mission?

Steve Fernandez (06:51)
Well, I’m thinking, you what I found in the foundation last month and working with people is we have an incredible set of people and we have an incredible set of technical sales and also have like a really unique community that works together in, you know, in a matrix like organization, but it really works and people are all, you know, moving forward to do what they think is the right thing.

I think what I’m going to try to bring to the foundation from my past is a little bit of strategic vision, a little bit of process, a little bit of thought process at a methodical level so that we best utilize the people that we have and the capabilities that we have. One of the great things I felt as I came into the organization and I’ve been doing my original first month assessment is, you know, we don’t have to reinvent the wheel. We just got to get efficient. We got to make sure our priorities are in line. We need to make sure we work with our enterprise partners. We need to make sure we work with our development community. And I think my job is going to be bringing those different pieces together and working a little bit more seamlessly.

So, that’s really, think, where I’ll add value and a little bit of my past will help out the organization.

CRob (08:17)
Excellent. Well, I can say personally, I’m very excited to be collaborating with you on this mission. And I know our community is very excited to be working with you. But let’s move on to the rapid fire part of our session. Are you ready for rapid, rapid, rapid fire? I got a couple of wacky questions I’m going to ask you just off the cuff answers. What’s your favorite vegetable?

Steve Fernandez (08:40)
Broccoli

CRob (08:42)
Okay, that is a perfectly fine vegetable. Thinking about the amazing open source ecosystem, what’s your favorite open source mascot?

Steve Fernandez (08:51)
The Goose.

CRob (08:53)
The goose, that’s an excellent answer. And mild or spicy food?

Steve Fernandez (08:59)
Spicy as it can get.

CRob (09:00)
Ohhhh, that’s spicy. Nice. And final and probably most important question. Star Trek or Star Wars?

Steve Fernandez (09:11)
Gotta go Trek.

CRob (09:12)
Excellent. Both answers are great, but that’s a fine, fine answer. Thank you, thank you. Well, Steve, as we wind down, do you have any kind of parting thoughts, any words of wisdom that you want to share with our community?

Steve Fernandez (09:29)
You know, I just say to the community, mostly keep the passion alive that you have for the work you’re doing. It’s very apparent when somebody new to the community sees it, you know, especially like myself. I see the passion. I see the intelligence. I see the hard work. And I think you should all feel very proud about that work that you’re doing. It really shows and it’s really transparent to everybody.

So, you know, I’m here to work with you. I’m here to collaborate. I’m here to help drive whatever I can do to better the community. So in that spirit, just please be open with everybody. Feel free to contact me at any time if you have ideas or thoughts about how we can improve the community or how we can move forward. That’s very important to me and I want to work in this know, great environment and, you know, and really help it grow and really foster that security community that we built and continue to do so. So I just say keep working hard and it’s going great.

CRob (10:35)
Thank you very much Steve Fernandez. Thank you for joining us and thank you for spending your time today with what’s in the SOSS and to our audience Happy open sourcing. We’ll talk to you soon

(10:47)
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Apr 14
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Key Takeaways from VulnCon 2025: Insights from the OpenSSF Community

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By Christopher Robinson (CRob), Chief Security Architect, OpenSSF

VulnCon 2025 has once again proven to be an essential gathering for security professionals, fostering collaboration, innovation, and progress in vulnerability management. This matches well with the OpenSSF continued championing for transparency and best practices in open source security. Practitioners from around the world gathered in Raleigh, NC, the week of April 7-10, 2025 to share knowledge, collaborate, and raise awareness of key issues within the global vulnerability management ecosystem.  We wanted to share my key takeaways from this year’s conference and highlight some of the insightful contributions from our community members.

OpenSSF’s Engagement in Cybersecurity 

The Open Source Security Foundation (OpenSSF) seeks to make it easier to sustainably secure the development, maintenance, and consumption of the open source software (OSS) we all depend on. We work on this by fostering collaboration with fellow industry groups like the CVE Program and FIRST, establishing best practices like our recently released Principles for Package Repository Security guide, and developing innovative solutions like Open Source Project Security Baseline, or engaging in global cybersecurity legislation and public policy conversations with our Global Cyber Policy Working Group. Cross-industry collaboration and knowledge sharing is crucial to properly address major challenges by fostering innovation, knowledge sharing, driving sustainable growth, and maximizing the impacts of our collective efforts.

The OpenSSF was thrilled to have a notable presence at VulnCon with significant representation from our Vulnerability Disclosures Working Group and other projects throughout the week. Our engagement in this event illustrates our commitment to community engagement and further supports our strategy to actively engage with the community and facilitate collaboration across industry stakeholders to sustainably address open source software security challenges effectively with transparent operations and governance.

The partnership between the OpenSSF and the FIRST PSIRT SIG showcases how industry and upstream effectively work together on these issues that have global impacts and how we’re better collectively collaborating to solve these complex and far-reaching challenges. Through our co-work on industry standards, and frameworks, or an event like VulnCon – we’re better together!

By the Numbers

The inaugural VulnCon was a cross-industry effort that was held in March 2024. There were 360 security professionals in attendance, with an additional 239 participating virtually (599 total) with nearly 40 sessions given. 2025 saw a dramatic increase in the participants and volume of content shared! This year there were 448 in person attendees with 179 global friends watching and participating virtually (627 total). 294 organizations attended from 36 countries. The program itself almost doubled, adding a 4th full day of sessions and expanding the number of tracks provided up to 100 sessions. Of this, I am proud to say that the OpenSSF members provided over 16 sessions about our community’s work and 46 total sessions given by member representatives.

The Power of Collaboration in Vulnerability Management

This year’s VulnCon featured an amazing docket of talks and workshops spanning the broad spectrum of vulnerability management, disclosure, and coordination. Open Source Software was discussed throughout the four day event, driving home to me how much influence and exposure upstream has on industry and public policy.

Here are a few of my key takeaways:

  1. The Importance of Vulnerability Metadata
    • Vulnerability metadata is crucial for the ecosystem, and OpenSSF’s needs and contributions in this area were front and center. There were numerous talks about OSV and how gaining deeper insights into upstream metadata helps everyone involved. Our members also helped lead and participate in discussions around SBOM, VEX, Vulnerability identifiers like CVE, and helping align software identifiers and finding paths forward around things like CPE and PURL.
  2. Understanding the Open Source Supply Chain
    • The talk from Apache Airflow and Alpha-Omega was a great example of how projects are working with their critical dependencies. They shared how downstream users can do similar work for better security outcomes. Downstream is slowly waking to the notion that more attention, due-diligence, and participation is needed to help make the upstream open source projects they consume continue to be successful.
  3. EU’s Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) Takes Center Stage
    • April 8 featured a dedicated track on the CRA. This law has major implications for vendors and how they assess risk and conduct due diligence across their supply chains. Open source stewards like the Linux Foundation will be essential partners as manufacturers work to meet their CRA obligations by December 2027. Our Global Cyber Policy Working Group is collaborating with key open source peers, industry partners, and the European Commission to assist open source developers, Open Source Stewards, and Manufacturers prepare for the quickly approaching 2026 and final 2027 deadlines.
  4. OSS Security Day: A Focused Deep Dive
    • April 9 was designated as “OSS Security Day,” with 20 sessions focused on various aspects of securing open source software. One key focus was on OpenSSF’s Security Baseline. The Baseline initiative provides a structured set of security requirements aligned with international cybersecurity frameworks, standards, and regulations, aiming to bolster the security posture of open source software projects.

What’s Next? Get Involved with OpenSSF

At the end of the day, security is about effectively managing risk and preparing for the inevitable threats that loom on the horizon. Events such as VulnCon or the forthcoming CNCF-OpenSSF SecurityCon allow experts to come together, share their hard-won wisdom, raise awareness of issues of concern, and collaborate on solutions to address security issues around the world.

The conversations at VulnCon reaffirm the importance of continued engagement in the security community. If you’re interested in contributing to the advancement of open source security, I encourage you to join the OpenSSF community.

Join the OpenSSF mailing list to stay informed about upcoming events, working groups, and initiatives.

For those who couldn’t make it, you can check out recorded content from VulnCon 2024 on YouTube and look out for the VulCon 2025 playlist to get a sense of the discussions shaping the future of vulnerability management. Thank you to all of our amazing community members who were able to come out and demonstrate the power of collaboration of our open source security community and partner with our peers and downstreams within industry, security research, and global governments.

Apr 08
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What’s in the SOSS? Podcast #26 – S2E03 JavaScript’s Big Footprint: Robin Bender Ginn on Leading OpenJS and Open Source at Scale

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Robin Bender Ginn, Executive Director of the OpenJS Foundation, joins us to talk about JavaScript’s massive footprint, the challenges of sustaining critical open source projects, and the importance of security in the web ecosystem. She shares her journey, insights on community-led development, and how OpenJS is building a healthier future for the JavaScript ecosystem.

Learn more and register for JSConf North America: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/jsconf-north-america/register/

Conversation Highlights

0:00 JavaScript’s Critical Web Presence
0:51 Robin Bender Ginn Introduces OpenJS Foundation
2:01 Core Challenges Facing JavaScript Ecosystem
4:12 Managing Older Projects and Outdated Software
8:23 Solutions and Security Improvements
12:12 Individual Impact and Community Involvement
14:35 Wrap-Up and Call to Action

Transcript

Robin Bender Ginn: 0:02
Anything you do requires JavaScript, whether it’s AI or in the metaverse. People forget that JavaScript is a critical part of delivering almost everything you do.

CRob: 0:17
Welcome, welcome, welcome to What’s in the SOSS, the OpenSSS podcast where we talk to amazing people and technologists within the space of open source, open source supply chain and software security. We have a real treat today. We have a friend of the foundation, Robin Ginn, and we are going to hear some amazing stuff about her little corner of this amazing world called open source. So, Robin, why don’t you introduce yourself and maybe share what’s your open source origin story for our audience?

Robin Bender Ginn: 0:51
Super cool. Well, hey, thanks for having me. I’m just super psyched to be here. We kind of have a little I would say we have a little corner for JavaScript. We have a big sort of footprint in the world. If you think about the web, JavaScript’s in 98% of the world’s websites. And I have the honor of being the executive director of the OpenJS Foundation. I’ve been there since the beginning and OpenJS was the merger of the Node.js Foundation with the JS, the JavaScript Foundation, a little over five years ago. So, I came on after a long career at Microsoft doing open source to lead up this wonderful organization. So super psyched to be here.

CRob: 1:39
That’s cool and we’re very glad for all the amazing work that comes out of your community super used around the web. From your perspective, having done this for a while, what do you see are some of the core challenges facing the world of JavaScript and the web ecosystem that impacts security?

Robin Bender Ginn: 2:01
Well, you know, I think we have the coolest developers around. Again, anything you do requires JavaScript, whether it’s AI or in the metaverse. People forget that JavaScript is a critical part of delivering almost everything you do. But unfortunately, one of the key challenges is the world of tech suffers from this shiny penny we call it the shiny penny syndrome.

Robin Bender Ginn: 2:26
People love the latest and greatest things and, you know, sometimes JavaScript and the web may not be seen as strategic as it truly is. That sort of creates a kind of a ripple effect on some other challenges we face. So whether that is raising money, you know, sustainability is very important. We have a lot of volunteers running our open source projects. As opposed to some company led projects, we have a lot of community led projects. So if you think about Node.js, it was downloaded 2 billion times last year, wow, wow. And that’s a lot of volunteers and, unfortunately, a lot of companies who all rely on, for example, Node.js, treat our really hardworking, passionate volunteers like they are their paid support staff and create a lot of demands on these folks. So those, you know, leads to burnout and all these other things.

CRob: 3:33
And that’s something that many of the communities we talk with and interact with feel similarly. They have similar challenges.

Robin Bender Ginn: 3:39
Yeah.

CRob: 3:42
Yeah, I think you probably touched on this a bit with your statement of being kind of a seminal foundation for the web. It’s hard to be a little older speaking as someone that has a little more gray in their hair than they used to, and OpenJS holds some really interesting kind of oldies but goodie type projects like Node.js and jQuery. You know how that impacts your maintainers and end users, where it seems like there are so many people that are using outdated or unsupported open source software?

Robin Bender Ginn: 4:22
Yeah, I mean, it does you know? Sometimes it sucks to be old, but in our case I would say that we have broad adoption. So Node.js, again 15 years old, it’s basically everywhere. Node is everywhere. Express.js, you know, 30 plus million. You know weekly downloads. Jquery, 18 years old. It’s in 92% of the world’s websites. So you know, what’s great is the adoption, the stability. The maintainers, many of them have been with the project for 10 plus years. It’s awesome.

Robin Bender Ginn: 4:59
And yeah, so we have this beautiful culture around these projects. You know, some of the challenges are a couple of things that we fixed. One is that our infrastructure got to be a little messy.

Robin Bender Ginn: 5:17
Let’s just put it that way, not quite like wobbly servers in people’s closets, but you know we had to do like an archaeological dig over the last couple of years to find out who in the years past, you know, had a handshake deal with this IT infrastructure company, who had access. So we’ve, you know we’ve done a lot on the infrastructure front to kind of clean that up. But, as you mentioned, a core challenge with older projects is that a lot of people are still using old versions that are unsupported and outdated.

Robin Bender Ginn: 5:55
We did some research with IDC Research Al Gillen, a pretty prominent open source developer analyst, and found that three quarters of a billion websites are using out of date jQuery, and of those people we surveyed which is pretty consistent with some other data we’ve seen a third of those reported having security and privacy incidents in the last two years. Yes, the Node project has done some other research to find that three quarters of users on Node.js are using old and outdated versions. Again, with 2 billion downloads, that’s pretty significant too. So we have created a couple of tools for people to see if they’re using current versions, and for us, it may not be our projects that could create a vulnerability, but it’s really a canary in the coal mine. So, for example, if you’re using old jQuery, if you’re using old Node, probably everything else under the hood is old too.

CRob: 7:03
It’s a really good guess.

Robin Bender Ginn: 7:05
Yeah, so if you want to kind of check your website, you can go to healthyweb.org to see if your jQuery is out of date and then the Node project. If you go on GitHub on Node.js, it’s /is-my-node-vulnerable and you can find out if you’re using an outdated version or not.

CRob: 7:29
This is a really kind of a systemic problem. I’ve talked a lot about this with Brian Fox from Sonotype and others in the ecosystem, and this is something that is again another very common problem. We have a lot of different language ecosystems, and, while the nuances of how to work in that particular space is a little different, a lot of the core challenges are identical.

Robin Bender Ginn: 7:52
Yeah, that’s why we wanted to sort of create this sort of idea of a health check. Like you know, you get your health check once a year, make sure you know everything’s spot on with your physical. We want people to like, maybe yearly, like you change your batteries and your smoke alarm, why don’t you take a look at what versions you’re using?

CRob: 8:13
That’s awesome advice. Yeah, so, but it can’t be all doom and gloom. What do you see as some kind of pathways to move us forward to a better future on the web?

Robin Bender Ginn: 8:23
Yeah, we have had a lot of industry support, government support and support from folks like you at OpenSSF and our friends Alpha Omega. So if you think about, you know, the IT infrastructure, we really solved that problem through funding from the Sovereign Tech Agency oh, excellent, which was wonderful. They provided funding for us to do, you know, kind of that archaeological dig, so to speak, and we essentially modernized all of our OpenJS hosted projects onto just a few handful of software companies, whether it’s CDNs or clouds, and that has all been consolidated, migrated, and now we have some great partnerships in place for people who are sponsoring that work. So, for example, like CloudFlare, DigitalOcean, fastly, Microsoft Azure and others. So we know that six months from now, two years from now, that they’re going to be supporting our infrastructure. And what else was your other question? Oh, on how you know.

CRob: 9:37
What else do we do to move it forward? What do you do to move it forward?

Robin Bender Ginn: 9:39
Yeah, I mean really, I think one of the inherent problems with relying on volunteers is the one missing component to our maintainers is having people with security expertise. That is kind of a secret sauce for talking, you know.

CRob: 9:57
Yeah, it is so.

Robin Bender Ginn: 10:00
Through grants, through Alpha-Omega, we’ve been able to fund security engineers.

CRob: 10:05
Yes, oh, that’s awesome.

Robin Bender Ginn: 10:06
Which we couldn’t have done it otherwise. I mean, I think this is maybe the fourth year we’ve had a Node grant from Alpha-Omega. Four years ago the Node project did not have an active security working group. Today it’s a very robust working group. Back in the day four years ago it was very difficult to put out security releases for Node. It was 26 steps for every release.

Robin Bender Ginn: 10:33
Imagine with someone without expertise who wants to sign up for that in their free time nobody right, yeah, so, um, as part of the work um, that security working group now has fully automated their security uh releases, so it’s been like a game changer for the Node project.

CRob: 10:51
I bet Well. It also relieves a lot of the burden from the regular maintainers as well, right?

Robin Bender Ginn: 11:02
Absolutely. They’ve also put out some permissions, guides and policies on what defines a vulnerability and what doesn’t. Our OpenJS Foundation Security Working Group, which we call it LabSpace security working group, which we call it Lab Space. We’re opening up our own CNA, which is pretty cool, so we’ll be communicating more about that. The thing about JavaScript is that I think security vulnerability reports, probably like others, have become like car alarms Ignore, ignore, ignore. So hopefully, with some new policies and kind of having a little more control with this with our own CNA, we’ll kind of alleviate some burden for our folks.

CRob: 11:40
Oh, that’s excellent. That’s so exciting to hear about those amazing changes. I’m so happy for you all.

Robin Bender Ginn: 11:47
Yes, I know, honestly, we couldn’t have done it without the grants that we’ve received from you all and the membership support and the government grants, which we hopefully will go after some more Excellent.

CRob: 12:02
And thinking about can an individual make a difference in the space of web security or are they totally at the mercy of big tech in the space of web security.

Robin Bender Ginn: 12:12
Are they totally at the mercy of big tech? No, I think one of the flip sides of having these community-led projects is that if you want something, if you want to influence an open source project, we kind of have a doers, not a talkers policy. Excellent. So if you’re a doer, if you want a feature, if you want to help, all you have to do is show up. I think, again, we have the most warm and welcoming and fun group of community members. So, as you know, with open source, you can just come to any of our meetings. We have a radical transparency policy at OpenJS in our projects. So our meetings are almost all streamed live on YouTube and on our YouTube channel. So if you want to just lurk, if you want to participate, if there’s something especially you want, you can just be a doer, just show up and do the work. Also, there’s so many ways that you can make a difference. If coding is not your thing, but you want to make a difference, I like to say content is queen.

CRob: 13:17
I love that I’m going to open source that.

Robin Bender Ginn: 13:20
Absolutely so. You know we do a lot with training, documentation, uh, community organizing, um, and so that’s again brought new, brought new community members to our projects that’s amazing.

CRob: 13:35
Well, let’s move on to the rapid fire part of our session here. Right on, let’s do it fire, rapid fire. A couple quick and crazy questions for you. We’ll start off with a controversial one vi or emacs, neither. Oh, what’s your editor of choice?

Robin Bender Ginn: 13:57
I am a writer, I write about code the same.

CRob: 14:03
That’s awesome, cool cool, we’re neutral.

Robin Bender Ginn: 14:05
I’m neutral at Open.js well said, there you go.

CRob: 14:11
Who’s your favorite open source mascot?

Robin Bender Ginn: 14:15
Well, the rocket turtle probably. We had a mascot contest for the Node project 15 years ago. When it was created. We had a turtle icon and a rocket icon and you can see the rocket turtle is our new mascot, that’s awesome. Yeah.

CRob: 14:34
What’s your favorite adult beverage? Water, water flavored water, water, water flavored water, water flavored water well, that is a responsible choice, yes, adult beverage, so I don’t know I had a person just tell me coffee, which I was like you know, you’re right, I love coffee. That is my favorite adult beverage too.

Robin Bender Ginn: 14:55
Yeah, I, yeah, I don’t know.

CRob: 14:58
And then uh kind of uh as we wrap up here thinking about, uh, what call to action would you have for our audience or what advice would you like to share to a newcomer trying to break into this amazing space?

Robin Bender Ginn: 15:13
Um, yeah, I think the one thing I would say is you know, if we had one, I would encourage folks to join our Slack channel. That might be kind of an easy entry way, maybe even a little easier than trying to figure out what’s going on in GitHub. We have so many different channels. We have an icon right on the homepage of our website, so whether you’re interested in security or package metadata, interoperability or standards, we’ve got like an all-star group working on TC39 and some W3C projects. An easy way to get to know folks perhaps is our Slack channel and then you can see what’s going on. We also have a book club and events and other fun things, so you can get to know us. But yeah, it’s a very friendly group. You can always reach out to me too if you’re just not sure where to go, and I’m happy to introduce you to folks in each of these areas.

CRob: 16:08
Well, excellent. Thank you so much for showing up and sharing a little bit about this amazing space that, as you shared, runs a lot of our world today, and especially how we interact with software and services and applications. So thank you for all the work that your foundation does and thank you for the amazing things you do for the community.

Robin Bender Ginn: 16:28
And thanks, CRob, and for all of your folks. You provide a lot of guidance. I know we sometimes bend the rules a little bit to customize things for JavaScript, but you know You’ve got to make things for JavaScript, but you know You’ve got to make it work for the environment you live in. We do. We take all of what the OpenSSF creates and then we maybe tweak it a little bit for what works for our maintainers and end users. And we’ve been working on and we’ll be publishing on our website some new guidelines as well.

CRob: 16:56
Well, I look forward to reading it. Thank you for joining us. Have a great day.

CRob: 17:09
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